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in reply to: t3 and t4 in range, TSH low #1185587
I never had a normal TSH when I was on methimazole. When my T4 and T3 were in the normal range, it was always suppressed. This is known as subclinical hypertyroidism. My endo wasn’t concerned at the time – just based my methimazole dosage on my T4 and T3 levels.
After I got my TT, this changed because my T4 came from a tablet and TSH is the hormone my body was producing. My endo wanted my TSH to reach the normal range. We finally got it there, but it took a lot of time and 5 levothyroxine dosage reductions.
Regarding hair loss, I never had a problem when I was on methimazole, but I started gradually losing it a couple of years after my TT.
I agree with the others: Get copies of your labs (I track mine on a spreadsheet) and find a new doctor. And don’t give up! It took me a year to find my correct dose of methimazole, but then I did well on it for three years. It took me so long because I actually started at 20 mg and worked my way up to 60, then became very hypo. I had to taper down and then go off of it for a while. When I became hyper again, I started over again at a much lower dose (10 mg) and eventually settled at alternating 5 and 10 mg (breaking the tablets in half). I never had my antibodies tested, but my best guess is that they’re the reason for my sudden switch to hypo.
Unless you develop an allergy or side effects or something, you should eventually find your way to your correct dose. Good luck!
Marci
I just got insurance approval to try Botox for my migraines. Appointment is Thursday. Crossing my fingers. 😮
Ah, at three weeks out I was still in my levothyroxine honeymoon phase. I felt good for about a month (my first normal TSH ever was 11 days after my TT, 4 days on levo) and then I started heading hyper. It took another 2 1/2 years (and 5 dosage changes) for me to get my second normal TSH test result.
To clarify, I’ve felt “okay” (not great) for the last two years – normal T4 and T3. It’s just been my TSH that was suppressed, and since my T4 now comes from a pill, my endo says that my TSH is the measure we need to go by. (Before my TT, my TSH was suppressed and it wasn’t a big deal – we just went by my T4 and T3).
My big issue right now is migraines, and I recently started seeing a new neurologist. She increased my dose of topiramate (to prevent migraines), and after a couple of weeks I had some tummy troubles four days in a row. I even went to see my doctor (my neurologist wasn’t available until November). She didn’t see a connection – thought the side effect would have come up immediately, and suggested I picked up a bug. I’m not convinced, but whatever. It could be something completely unrelated like a food sensitivity or maybe I’m developing another autoimmune disease. I’ve continued having tummy troubles occasionally – a couple of times a week, but not continually like before.
in reply to: Hi – I’m new and have some questions #1185507BTW – Just as a comparison, since this was the main point of your inquiry…
Note: When you see this symbol: “<" it means that this is the lowest that the lab can measure - actual results could be lower. My labs at initial diagnosis:
TSH: <0.006 (normal range 0.450 - 4.500)
Free T4: 4.31 (normal range 0.82 – 1.77)
Free T3: Not testedMy labs after 1 month on 20 mg Tapazole (Generic: Methimazole)
TSH: <0.006 (normal range 0.450 - 4.500)
Free T4: 2.50 (normal range 0.82 – 1.77)
Free T3: 8.1 (normal range 2.0 – 4.4)Note: Changes in TSH tend to lag behind changes in T4 and T3, so it wasn’t unexpected that there was no improvement in my TSH.
I was told I had a severe case. My thyroid antibodies were never tested, though. My Graves’ was diagnosed based on a Thyroid Uptake and Scan (test in which you swallow a pill containing radioactive iodine and then go back and have the radioactivity measured and image made of your thyroid. Note: This is different than RAI – only a test, not a therapy).
in reply to: Hi – I’m new and have some questions #1185506As Kimberly said, every lab has a different “normal” range, so you’d have to refer to your lab results in order to see how far off of normal you are. Her suggestion of requesting hard copies of lab results was the best advice I got when I was first diagnosed. I used to have to request them from my endo, but these days you can get them online – much easier and faster. (I no longer have to wait for my appointment). I keep all my results in a spreadsheet so I have easy access to info on how my disease has progressed and medication dosage changes.
If you’ve only been taking the Tapazole for two days, it wouldn’t have had much time to take effect, and your disease has been continuing to progress. I wonder if the soreness you’re experiencing could be from your exercise routine. You should definitely talk to your doctor about it. Graves’ causes you to lose weight, and some of that weight is muscle. If you’re doing strenuous exercise, your body isn’t able to recover like it did before you developed Graves’, so you could be actually making yourself weaker. If your case is really mild, your doctor may give you the okay to continue, but general advice for new patients (while they’re still hyperthyroid) is to stick to mild exercise like walking.
In addition to stress, another thing that is theorized to contribute to the onset of Graves’ is low Vitamin D levels. I had tested low in the past and wasn’t taking my supplement when I first developed symptoms. I tested low again later, so I’m sure I was low at the onset of my disease. You and your sister might want to get your D levels tested. You don’t need to live in the frozen North to be deficient in D, either. I live in Phoenix.
in reply to: Advice on anxiety 20 months post diagnosis #1185476I was diagnosed about seven years ago and was on methimazole for four years. It took me about a year to find the right dose, but after that I did quite well on it, other than the fact that my TSH remained suppressed even when my T4 and T3 were normal. I was considered euthyroid. My biggest complaint was that I had fatigue that never went away.
After four years, we discovered that I’d developed a rather large nodule and I required a thyroidectomy. I was fortunate to have an excellent surgeon and the procedure went well with no complications (and most importantly, no cancer!) Afterward, it took some doing to find my dose of levothyroxine. In the beginning, I was hyper in all the tests, but we lowered my dose and then it was just my TSH that was suppressed again. This time, my endo said that, without my thyroid, I was considered hyper. We kept lowering my dose, and it was 2 1/2 years before I finally got a normal TSH. During this entire journey, I continued having the same fatigue that I’d had on the methimazole.
I have other health issues as well, including chronic migraines, and about this time last year I realized that I couldn’t remember the last time I’d felt good. I wasn’t looking forward to the holidays (dreading them, actually). My mom was planning on taking me on a trip to Europe with her this year and I didn’t even want to go. So I talked to my endo and she had me make an appointment with my GP. He prescribed lexapro for me because I had used it successfully in the past.
When I first started taking it, there were a few days when I was so tired I could barely get out of bed, but after that I worked great. I feel so much better now. I’ve had some challenges this year, and I don’t know how I would have gotten through them without the help of my lexapro. I just got home from my vacation a month ago and had an amazing time.
in reply to: Specifics about calcium #1185482As long as you’re waiting an hour after taking your levo, a little milk with your breakfast is okay. I wait longer for my breakfast shake because it’s a larger serving, and when I calculated the calcium content one day I realized it was comparable to the calcium supplement I was talking.
in reply to: Taking medication on an empty stomach #1185471I’ve always heard that you should take your levothyroxine on an empty stomach (the reason most people take it first thing in the morning) and then wait at least an hour before taking anything else other than water – no food or even other meds. You’re supposed to wait four hours before taking supplements – calcium in particular. Since I like to to have a shake for breakfast (high in calcium), I try to wait longer between my levo and my breakfast. I usually wake up in the early morning and then fall back asleep, so I take advantage of this time to take my levo. Then I don’t have to wait so long when I get up later.
As for your question… If I understand you correctly, you have two different meds that are supposed to be taken on an empty stomach. I wouldn’t take them together. That could cause problems. If you have enough time in the morning, you could stagger them by an hour or so. Another option, if you eat dinner early enough, would be to take one at night before bed and the other in the morning when you wake up. This would be a good question to ask your pharmacist.
in reply to: Weight gain inevitable? #1185460That’s a tricky question because each of us can only write from our own experience. Every case is different. I was pretty overweight when I first started exhibiting Graves’ symptoms, and I lost 75 lbs before I was diagnosed. I was down to my high school weight, but looked weak and sickly (largely due to loose skin and lost muscle mass). After I started treatment (methimazole), I gradually started regaining the weight I’d lost, but at my age (late 40’s at the time), more of the weight ended up around my middle. Also, since I’d lost so much muscle, my body composition shifted (higher percentage of fat vs muscle) and I think that caused me to gain a few extra pounds on top of those I’d lost.
I’ve recently started to lose a bit of weight, though. I’m down to my pre-Graves’ weight again, and hopeful that I can keep going.
As for whether or not weight gain is inevitable, I would say, not for everyone – at least not beyond weight lost due to Graves’. Weight gain is a common complaint, but I do know Graves’ patients who still look great. They just don’t often post on bulletin boards.
in reply to: Graves, RAI, and hyperparathyroidism #1185454Thanks, I’ve never heard anything about this. I have regular CMPs due to kidney issues, and my calcium is always at the high end of normal. I drink milk daily and take a calcium supplement, though. I also take a D supplement because I was low and finally got to mid-range where my endo wants me. I’m 53, BTW. I had a TT almost 3 years ago and my surgeon didn’t notice anything wrong with my parathyroids then. I’ll start paying more attention to the calcium numbers in future blood tests, and maybe cut back on my supplements if it gets too high.
in reply to: Multiple questions #1185436Do you think the pain in your legs could be in the muscle? Years ago I was having calf pain, usually in the mornings – often when I’d stop at the convenience store on my way to work. It seemed to come on after running around to get ready, then several minutes of inactivity in the car. My doctor didn’t know what was causing it but ordered an ultrasound to rule out a blood clot. Months later, I had a similar pain in my hip and she prescribed Mobic, an anti-inflammatory. It actually took care of my calf pain as well as my hip pain, so I’m convinced my pain was due to inflammation.
Now, I have issues with my kidneys and try to avoid anti-inflammatory meds. The calf pain went away for years, but it’s back now. I’d heard good things about turmeric for inflammation and verified with my nephrologist that it’s okay for me to take. It works pretty well. I notice a difference when I forget to take my supplements.
in reply to: Still fluctuating after all these years #1185422I haven’t had an ultrasound since my TT, but my endo still checks my neck at my appointments. She said it’s possible for some thyroid tissue to grow back, and it’s more likely to happen in hyperthyroid patients. Wendy Williams had RAI 19 years ago, and she had some thyroid tissue grow back.
in reply to: Newly diagnosed, reaction to Methimazole #1185431The only problem I had with methimazole was that it took me a whole year to get stable on it. That was my body’s fault, though – not the drug. I’ve read several accounts of people who had allergic reactions. Some did fine on PTU and others had the same allergic reaction with PTU. Some had to take benadryl (per doctor’s orders) along with their methimazole and the allergic reaction eventually subsided, so they didn’t have to keep taking it.
You have a lot going on: upcoming vacation and potential insurance changes. FWIW, when I was choosing my treatment, I was concerned that I might lose my insurance, so I was considering medication cost as a factor. WalMart has levothyroxine for $4, so that’s a point in favor of RAI or TT.
The issue with TT is that, ideally, you need to be euthyroid before you can have the surgery, and since you’re having issues with the medication needed to get you euthyroid, you’re kind of at an impasse. When I was diagnosed, I was leaning toward TT, but it just took too long to get euthyroid and I got comfortable on the meds. (I eventually got my TT 4 years later after I developed a suspicious nodule).
I can see why you’re going with RAI because you can have it done now and don’t have to wait until you’re euthyroid. It’s just too bad that your vacation is coming up so soon. I doubt you’ll be feeling better in September if your RAI is on 8/13. Of course, there’s also the chance that you could become hypo on vacation and then how would you get labs done or medication?
I’m curious why you chose RAI over PTU. If the PTU worked, it might be your best bet for having an enjoyable vacation.
(BTW – If you check out the facebook group, I post there too. Marci Timothy is my actual name).
in reply to: Still fluctuating after all these years #1185412Sue – LOL! Well, we’ll see how it goes. June was the first time I’ve seen my endo since my TT that she didn’t lower my dose, so it’s only been a few weeks. I’m not scheduled to have labs done or see her again for 6 months, though.
Marci (MT)
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