Yesterday was a real education for me. I called someone here in Calif. referred to in an earlier posting. (What a wonderful, kind woman!) What a surprise to really realize that Graves can manifest itself not only with all the thyroid and related problems but with the eyes totally independently. Jake or someone else had said that already, but it didn’t sink in. What a shock to realize that this constant gritty feeling and the double vision go hand in hand and that it probably is the beginnings of eye hassles. Question: I have been looking like I haven’t gotten enough sleep (even on the weekends!) -puffy around the lower lids. Is this part of the whole eye business too or do I just need to hit the sack! You are a great group of people.