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  • ChristinaDe
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    Talley ~ If I were to join you & Shirley in that coffee shop for a bit of friendly banter, I’d be agreeing with everything she just said. I’d also mention that prior to my TT my surgeon was adamant that I be on a beta blocker for at least a week prior (but only because I had a racy heart) and after surgery to ensure that my heart rate didn’t shoot up during or immediately after surgery (there is a thyroid dump that they worry about after that can send heart rates up). He also was insistent that I have my Vitamin D level checked prior (mine was very low, so I went on HUGE supplementation pre-op & then had it rechecked prior to surgery). The rationale, according to him, was that sometimes the parathyroids get a little irritated during surgery, can fall asleep which makes calcium an issue. Not a big deal – it happened to me & they just gave me calcium supplements – but it’s important that your Vitamin D is in check if they need to do that. And, like Shirley said, he preferred that my thyroid level was in check…but he DID say that in cases where he has to, he will do the surgery without that piece…just needs to be more cautious due to an increased chance of experiencing a thyroid storm during or after the op – but he likes to know going into it if this is indeed going to be the situation.

    So, bottom line…pre-op I was on anti-thyroid meds & beta blockers for 6 weeks (his preferred amount of time but he did say that sometimes in some patients they have to operate without that step due to drug intolerances or whatever), the iodine drops for a week (something else that he said that he has skipped if the patient was intolerant), but prefers it so he can visualize the area better due to less bleeding, had my Vit D checked and then fixed, had my calcium checked (it was fine, but if it hadn’t been it would have been fixed as well). These were all ways to optimize things (as he put it).

    My surgeon is one of those that does almost nothing but surgery of the neck glands. But my case was also very different than yours. I ONLY needed the thyroid out.

    There may be very good reasons why they are not, or can not, take these steps in your case. But it is worth asking about. I called my surgeon a couple of days before surgery in a general panic and he was happy to squeeze me in…said it was pretty common for patients to have last minute anxiety and questions & that he preferred they contacted him prior to surgery if they did. Maybe call first thing in the morning and ask for an urgent “squeeze in”? These are all reasonable questions that deserve more discussion – if for no other reason than to relax you a bit. And like Shirley mentioned, it is important that he know that you may not have been as religious with your meds as he may be assuming you were…he may be ok with it, but he’ll better know what to watch you for during and immediately after surgery.

    Hang in there! And best of luck!!!
    Christina

    ChristinaDe
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    Usually means liver function tests…

    ChristinaDe
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    Carrie,

    I was officially diagnosed w/ hyperthyroidism & Graves’ last November. My symptoms began in 2008 and I kept complaining to my docs that I thought I was hyperthyroid, that my father & grandmother both had Graves’, etc. I kept getting labs drawn & kept being told that they were ok & so it must be something else. Went to cardiologists, therapists, and others & they kept asking me if I was sure that my thyroid was ok. I kept saying yes. Finally, I went to an endo on my own to see if I had some other hormonal issue. She looked at my labs from 2008 on & said that I’ve been hyper the whole time. Asked why I hadn’t pursued additional tests & treatment. OMG! (Makes the case for seeing your labs for yourself – any and all labs!) Anyway, I was pretty sick by then. Severe weight loss, muscle wasting, activity intolerance, brain fog, anxiety, tremors, fatigue. Since I’d had it for so long, most thought my possibility of remission was unlikely. I tried anyway, but couldn’t tolerate the meds so was encouraged to choose a definitive treatment option.

    My eye issues began in late 2009. They were puffy, my left eye got smaller than my right, they were dry & gritty, sensitive to light & wind, and the left eyeball would get very sore from the back. Also, my vision began to change in about 2011. My eyes seemed to reach their worst by early 2012 & didn’t progress from there despite no treatment for any of it. One of my docs (PCP) did not feel my eye changes were Graves’ related, the other 2 (endo & thyroid surgeon) thought that they may be but they weren’t sure – so I was referred to a Graves’ eye specialist. He thought it was Graves’ related, but minor. After TT the dryness, grittiness, and aching subsided – almost overnight. The puffiness decreased, but did not go away. No one knows why that happened & so it may just be coincidental timing. However, the lid puffiness, the water bags, and the difference in size between the right & left remains. I’m told that now that my thyroid is out and once I’m at my optimal levels on Synthroid that I could see further improvement, but maybe not. And it probably won’t bring me back to 100%. There are a couple of cosmetic fixes I can try to improve the look. So that’s probably more than you wanted to know, but that’s my story! :D

    ChristinaDe
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    Threatening to report a fellow member to the Board? Over what? Sorry…but doesn’t this qualify as “paternalistic”? Is it time for all of us to leave this Board to you & those you like or agree with?

    It’s a shame. You have some good insights and meaningful stories to tell. But, for me, they’re getting shrouded in my fear of what you’ll post next. And to whom. Will it be me next? Or another person I like and respect? Personally, it’s stressing me out. Will you now be reporting me to the GDATF Board?

    ChristinaDe
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    Up until now, I’ve been hesitant to add anything to my growing daily regimen. But I do think that I’m going to give selenium a try. One never knows! ;)

    ChristinaDe
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    I’d love to know the answers to this too!

    I saw a neuro opthamologist who specializes in Graves’ & heard a lot of words like “we don’t know”, “just have to wait”, “may progress, may not”, “caused by Graves’, not thyroid yet some refer to it as thyroid eye disease'”, but also says they “don’t like to do anything while thyroid levels are off”, “we just don’t know who will get it and who won’t”, “we just don’t know who will get the severe version and who won’t”, we just don’t know how long it will stay in the active phase”, “we just don’t know who will get it years later or a 2nd time”, “we just don’t know if it will improve on it’s own yet”. He also said that they don’t know why one eye is often affected differently than the other. Lots of “don’t knows” tho. He did reassure me that they can fix just about anything that happens once they know that the process has maxed itself out.

    After having been through the testing process, I’m told that I likely have very mild GO. But I think that was based on symptoms & visualization more than anything in my case, along with a lid measurement that is slightly abnormal on the left. Eye protrusion was negative.

    Love this doc, very empathic, takes lots of time with his patients, but he made it pretty clear that he has to take each situation and deal with it on a case-by-case basis. So this is what I worry most about now. I have puffy lids, water bags under the eyes & I’m hating the way that looks. But my dry, gritty, sore feeling went away after TT (they don’t know why that happened either) & I never did have any protrusion so we’re thinking that this may be as bad as it gets & that it may even improve some more over the next year. Now is where he says I need to become “patient”…literally & figuratively. Sort of a watch, wait, and see thing. Ughhh! :rolleyes:

    Shirley really seems to know a LOT about eye disease. I’m betting she’ll shed some light on your question!

    ChristinaDe
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    Deciding between the 3 treatment options was the toughest thing I’ve ever had to do. Each had plusses & significant minuses. At one point it became so difficult that I considered walking away from ALL options, until it was pointed out to me that this wasn’t a real option – that the hyperthyroidism could kill me.

    I then read a study that looked at the 3 treatment options in terms of patient satisfaction AFTER treatment. All 3 can bring a person’s hyperthyroidism under control, so the study wasn’t looking at that part of it. It only sought to determine which of the 3 groups of patients were happiest with their treatment choice in the end. It found that there was no major difference between the 3 groups when well-informed patients chose their option in a way that supported their personal values.

    So a person who places a high value on keeping an organ & waiting for remission above all else, will likely choose ATDs when possible and will handle the management aspect better than someone who places a higher value elsewhere. And they will be happy with that decision. A person who places a higher value on definitive treatment while avoiding surgery and its risks, will likely do better with the process of waiting out RAI & be happy with that decision once they’re stabilized. And a person who places a higher value on just being done with things and moving on as quickly as possible or who fears RAI for whatever reason will likely choose surgery despite its risks & be happy with that decision in the end.

    When I began, my values placed me into the ATD category. I wanted remission or to at least hang in long enough that perhaps a 4th option would one day become available. But I was one of those people who not only didn’t feel better on ATDs – but actually felt worse. So my values changed & I became focused on definitive treatment. I chose TT, but that was because psychologically I couldn’t handle much more of the ups & downs or the waiting. I accepted the risks because at that point what I valued most was just moving on in the most direct and quickest way possible. I’ve done well & am happy with my decision. My father chose RAI because he also didn’t do well on ATDs, and was mentally very adverse to surgery and its risks. He did well and was happy with his decision. I might add that President Bush had RAI (and one would assume that he had access to some of the best medicine that this country has to offer, was well informed, etc. – and by all appearances he did very well, even jumping out of an airplane on his 70th bday! :)) And we’ve all heard of many people living happily with ATDs.

    Bottom line is that all 3 options have their risks & downsides. Each person has a different tolerance for what risks they are least adverse to & how those fit into their life plan. Of course we’d all prefer that we didn’t have to choose between any of them. But we do. Any are fine. How we feel about them simply depends on the person. No one option is best for all, and conversely no one option is worse for all.

    My advise is to familiarize yourself with the risks and the course that each option takes. Know your own values & risk tolerance & then choose accordingly. Then try to be careful with those who are still in the decision making stage. People who are unduly pushed into one option over the other, despite their personal values, tend to be the ones unhappy with their choice in the end (at least that’s what this one study showed). Kind of makes sense, right?

    ChristinaDe
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    Karen ~ I’d cry too…:(
    Wish we could all just wrap our arms around you.

    I think this is tough on those closest to us, but yesterday’s experience sounds especially rough – physically, mentally & emotionally. Hope an apology comes your way today?

    ChristinaDe
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    Harpy ~ I really like your approach to MD visits. I wish I would have taken that route at the very beginning! Think you have some great ideas & insights there!!

    ChristinaDe
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    I’m looking forward to seeing what sorts of responses you get on this. The whole “autoimmune” part is still so mysterious to me! And even tho I’ve already had TT, I’d still like to keep my antibodies down…maybe that’s key to avoiding the whole eye thing & all the other possible Graves’ symptoms that people experience despite being euthyroid. So a good question – for those seeking remission & also those seeking better overall health following one of the definitive thyroid treatments.

    Plus, there is so much out there that suggests an increased susceptibility to other autoimmune diseases once you get ONE of them. Would love to avoid that is possible!

    Great question Momof5!!
    😎

    ChristinaDe
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    Ms Lux ~ Are you an attorney? From the U.S.? Just trying to figure out how to weight your legal advice. :/

    ChristinaDe
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    Sue,

    My surgeon told me that there is a risk of thyroid storm during TT…IF precautions are not taken in advance & IF they operate on a markedly hyper thyroid. Therefore, he preferred that my thyroid levels were stabilized first on ATDs, that I was on a beta blocker for at least a week prior & a week after surgery, and he had me take prescription iodine drops called SSRI I think (not radioactive) for the week or 10 days just prior to the procedure. He also wanted my calcium and Vitamin D levels checked prior to surgery & if either were low he wanted me to begin supplementation.

    My surgeon is in the top 10% nationally for thyroids & neck glands are pretty much all he does. Taking precautions up front minimizes the risk & he says this hasn’t been a problem in his surgeries. I got through mine without incident.

    Christina

    ChristinaDe
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    Hi Geezer,

    Sorry that you’ve had such a hard time & that you’re not feeling well. Thought I’d say “hello”. I was also struck by the fact that we have similar leg symptoms right now. How long have you had them?

    I had a thyroidectomy a couple of months and was feeling really great afterward. All of a sudden I began experiencing muscle weakness & joint pain in my legs (began a couple of weeks ago). Wow, that hurts! To a lesser degree, I had some fatigue and a bit of a down mood begin at the same time. Had labs drawn, and in my case it turned out that I’d suddenly gone hypo. Apparently this is one of the signs of hypo for some people. Turns out it is my FIRST sign. So my dr. increased my meds & I’m already seeing an improvement.

    I agree with you…exercise while the legs are super weak, the joints aching, and experiencing fatigue is just downright painful & uses up what little energy there is. 😮

    ChristinaDe
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    WWWI,

    No problem! Glad to help with some validation. I remember when I was first diagnosed and feeling so crappy…I wanted 3 things so badly. First, to be validated instead of being made to feel like a crazy, difficult hypochondriac. Next, I wanted the fog to clear so that I could understand and process everything that was happening. And finally, I wanted information. I wanted to know what was attributable to my new diagnosis and what wasn’t, what worked and what didn’t, what the various options entailed and how it actually felt to go through them, and while I wanted to know what the disease was all about & what to expect with it and its treatment options…I also wanted hope. Not lies, but reality-based, believable hope. It was so hard to find it anywhere, on any site, in the community, or even with my own endo – until I found this forum.

    So anytime you want to pick a brain, do it! I still do!!! As well as I’m doing, as much as I’ve learned & now understand, as clear as my brain has become, as good and calm as I feel – there are still little tweaks required along the way to optimize things. And I still experience little hiccups. Nothing like before, much smaller things now, but I continue to benefit from others on this site & from the GDTF – always learning new things that I can use to improve upon &/or maintain my new feeling of wellness…everything from beauty & nutrition tips to eye health, to new research, pharmaceutical alerts & news items that pertain to Graves’ & thyroid patients.

    And keep us posted on how you’re feeling & how endo #3 goes! ;)

    ChristinaDe
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