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I think about you a lot because I have been following your posts. I think that you have shown tremendous strength in your journey battling this disease and I just want to reach through this post and give you a big hug. Please post and let us know how you are doing, I can only speak for myself but you inspire me with your strength and resolve to get through this and you will. I was going to send a message to you today asking how you were doing and there you were, I see this is a down time for you but I am one person who is routing for you all the way. I know there are facilitators that can give you advise , I just want to give you some support.
Hi this is Gerri, I had my eye surgery about 2mos ago. Orbital decompression 3 wall. My left eye is still visually impaired, cant read the eye chart with it,and it is off enough to cause bad double vision. The proptosis is still there,I still have to tape my eye at night. I was hoping for better and faster results after this major surgery.My mood swings have been pretty abrupt this last mo. or two.
I went to the market the other day w/o an eye patch…I ended up running into a door, an isle, and bumping a few people.I have a caseworker that is trying to help me find a job that i can do…at last she said maybe we better try and get you on disability.I did and taught art part time but mostly Im a stay at home mom.my kids are all leaving the nest…and my dreams of finding a career after they leave seems shattered due to my visual disability.Thank You sooo much for your words of encouragement!(((hugs)))
Anytime you want to chat, I am here for you, I read the posts most every day. It is rainy here today, hope it is beautiful in Alaska !!!
Hi Alaska Mom,
By can I relate. I had a three wall decompression in each eye about seven years ago. I too had bad double vision after hte surgery but they did surgery to correct that after a few months.
It takes the eyes and brain a while to adujust to the changes. Then they can do strabismus surgery to correct the double vision. In my case my double vision was so bad even two surgeried did fully correct it. However,I were ground in prisms in my glasses, three diopter, in each eye.
I also needed orbital radiation to help shrink the eye muscles after the decompressions. I had 1000 rads of radiation in each eye over ten days. 100 rads a day plus steroids. That did the trick for me.
I thought like you that I would never work again or see well enough to enjoy life. I was wrong. I still work, and with our director Dr. Nancy Patterson, Co-Wrote “Graves’ Disease In Our Own Words”. I found out I had a knack for writing and have since written three more books. My next book comes out next month. I found a new carrear I never even thought about. All because of Graves’ disease. Go figure.
Ask your doctor about the strabismus and or orbital radiation. It may work for you too.
I am only a click away,
Jake George
On-Line Facilitator
Co-Author Graves’ Disease In Our Own Words”
Author The Red Man In Me”
Author Grandfather’s Song”
Author A New Dawn” Secheduled for release September 2006We have been fighting graves with my 33 year old daughter for three years now. surgery is in about two weeks and her eyes are so bad that the constant headaches are killing all of us-she has a four year old and a five year old. they go to school and she goes to bed all day. tired, can’t get up, depressed, crying, can’t see. our GP seems to think she is making all this up. Please offer me some hope for after the surgery. I too am depressed and trying to keep her going, but God, some days it is so hard. Thanks
Hi wandak,
It sounds like you have been treating your daughter’s thyroid under the belief that it will clear up her eye disease, and that is not the case.
She needs to be seen by an opthalmologist who can evaluate her eye condition and treat that separately. Graves’ Disease is a thyroid disease, and the eye disease (referred to now as Thyroid Eye Disease, or TED), while related to thyroid conditions in general, is NOT caused by the same antibodies that cause the thyroid disease. It will not respond to changes in thyroid hormone levels.
Have her *thyroid hormone levels* been corrected through the RAI, or is she still waiting for relief on that front as well?
There are definitely treatments she can take advantage of that would help her symptoms. Have her see an opthalmologist who is experienced with TED. Do that ASAP.
One thing to remember is that both conditions, Graves’ Disease (the thyroid condition), and TED, are autoimmune diseases. This means that our immune system has built up antibodies against our own tissue and is attacking. For the thyroid disease, the antibodies attack the thyroid and mimic TSH, forcing the thyroid to pump out more and more thyroid hormone. For TED, the antibodies (different antibodies than Graves’) are attacking the muscles of the eye, which causes them to swell.
Whenever we experience a great deal of stress, our body gives a shot of adrenaline and “amps up” the immune system — further activating the antibodies and forcing more damage to our tissues, for those of us with autoimmune diseases. We must work very hard to keep our stress levels down. I realize that seems a Herculean task at this point — your daughter seems to have nothing BUT stress surrounding her — so anything you can do to alleviate that stress or to help her have some quiet moments, some times when she laughs, some times when she is at peace, all of these things will help her to have fewer symptoms, and hopefully, result in an upward spiral rather than the downward spiral she seems to be taking just now. It is amazing what a simple afternoon of recreation or warm bath or funny movie can do for someone who is routinely responsible for everything and everyone.
First things first, though — get her to an opthalmologist and you will start getting advice that will help her eye disease. Treating the thyroid won’t help (though of course that needs to be done as well).
~Ski
NGDF Assistant Online FacilitatorThe opthamologist we saw only gave her new glasses. She said the surgery for thyroid would help some, but she may need eye surgery later. meanwhile for the last 3 weeks since the new glasses the vision is still double and blurred and terrible headaches. I usually move her and the two children in with us until she feels better and will try that this time too. I really thought the surgery would help the eyes also. thanks for the information. wanda
Hi wandak,
Was the opthalmologist experienced with TED — and are you absolutely certain you saw an opthalmologist? Optometrists and opticians can dispense glasses and look at vision changes, but it takes an opthalmologist to handle eye conditions that may require surgical interventions. Finding an opthalmologist with specific knowledge about TED can be a lifesaver, because there are many intricacies to the condition that can contribute to what’s going on, and someone with only a passing knowledge may not be able to give you all the help that’s available.
Glasses typically wouldn’t reduce the symptoms of double vision (unless you use prisms, which I talk about below) or headaches, and if the blurriness is due to the fluctuations as the eye muscles swell, glasses would not be able to help much because the changes are happening day-to-day.
People with TED get double vision because the eye muscles do not swell uniformly. There are at least three muscle sets governing eye function, and if any one of the muscles is swollen more than another, the eyes will not move smoothly in tandem. This will create double images. For some people, they can incorporate “prisms” into the glasses that will correct the disparity, but in order for that to be effective, the disparity needs to be constant. That is rarely the case at this phase of TED. It is very typical for TED patients to have worse involvement in one eye than another, and in some muscles more than others within the eye, and for further changes to occur at random intervals.
The headaches are probably due to the swelling of the eye muscles. The eye, the optic nerve and all the muscles are contained within a cone-shaped cavity of bone. When the muscles swell, the only possible result is that the eye pushes forward, and in all likelihood, the patient feels pain. Some of that pain can be alleviated with cold compresses — we recommend using ziploc bags of frozen peas or corn, because they conform nicely to the contours of the eye socket and provide the most possible relief. Ziploc bags are recommended so you don’t confuse these peas with the ones you might cook for dinner. You can refreeze & reuse the ones for your eyes as long as you don’t plan on cooking them.
There are some treatments that can be pursued prior to surgery on her eyes, such as prednisone or directed radiation. Both of these treatments have shown some success on TED patients to reduce swelling. Reduce the swelling and then the blurriness, double vision and headaches should subside, though there’s not much chance it would go away entirely. It would be an improvement, not a cure, and for some people the risks of prednisone or radiation are too high to consider using them. On the other hand, if the swelling gets too severe, the optic nerve could be compressed, and that would be the end of vision in that eye. These are all things a trained opthalmologist would be able to tell you, and they could evaluate her eyes to see how close she may be to a danger point.
I know that TED carries with it so much pain besides the pain in the eyes — we use our eyes to relate to people, and when they are disfigured there are SO many additional issues that come up it is difficult to just “let it be.” The real challenge is that TED has a “hot phase” and a “cold phase,” and within the hot phase, surgical treatments are typically not an option unless the optic nerve is threatened. This is because during the hot phase, the antibodies are active and the fluctuation is constant — surgical intervention can cause the antibody levels to spike and the resulting antibody action can reverse any benefits obtained by the surgery. Once the cold phase is reached (after a few months of stability — not normalcy, but stability), there are multiple surgical procedures that can help to bring the eyes back to a normal look. It may not be exactly what the eyes were beforehand, but I know many people who have had the surgery, and they are simply gorgeous.
In the interim, though, while the hot phase is going on, this is the very worst time. It’s hard to sit and wait through the changes that occur, and accept the fact that there’s not much that can be done.
You may want to raise the head of her bed to keep fluid from collecting in her eyes overnight. This has helped me a lot, but I never had the severe symptoms your daughter is having. I’m not sure the level of relief she may see from this, but I feel it’s worth a try. Also, get her sunglasses that protect her eyes from all angles. We refer to them as my “space man” sunglasses. They may look a little strange at first, but again, the relief they provide from wind and sun irritation are a real blessing. And one last hint — get her lots of artificial tears. If her eyes are not completely closing, or if they are constantly irritated and dry, she could suffer corneal abrasions, which may not be treatable. This is another sight-stealer that is completely avoidable. Artificial tears can be a little expensive, but they have no preservatives, which is critical for people who need to use them a lot during the day. When we’re in irritating situations (on the computer, in the sun), using them every 15 minutes is NOT too often.
The day will come when this is all behind your daughter. In the meantime, it is good that she has you for support. She is facing some tough day-to-day issues.
The best you can do is to make sure you are seeing the very best medical professionals available to you. Get as many opinions as you feel you need. Anyone who brushes you off is not someone who is a team member, no matter their expertise.
I do hope this helps. I feel for your daughter. It is no fun being where she is right now.
~Ski
NGDF Assistant Online FacilitatorHi Wanda,
I am so sorry about your daughter. Those headaches can be excruciating. Ski has given you excellent advice. I will add that I have read about several on here needing to tape the eyes shut at night…I don’t know how badly your daughter’s are protruding. Also, at night I used, and still do when needed, an eye ointment in my eyes. Sometimes you have to try several brands to find the one that works best for you. I used Genteal Gel in the day, which lasted longer than the drops, Refresh P.M. at night, and for just drops, I use Thera Tears. I still sleep on two pillows, but elevating the bed is best. I am planning to change to that. A brochure the doctor gave me on acid reflux says elevating the bed helps with that, so it will help me in both ways.
I will be praying for your daughter and you that this eye hot phase ends soon and that the thyroid surgery goes perfectly. This is a hard time for you all, but it will improve.it is so kind of you to answer me. I am so desperate and tired of the battle. Our lives revolve on one thing: thyroid and its associated problems. I pray there is a light somewhere is this maze to help us. Thank you for the support, you can’t know how alone I feel sometimes. I appreciate your words more than you can know. wanda
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