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  • gatorgirly
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    It has been a long time since I posted here but wanted to share an interesting experience I’m going through that I hope can be helpful to others who think TED was in their rearview mirror. I apologize in advance for the length of this post.

    After a year of moderate TED, I had bilateral orbital decompression in September 2012 (endoscopic removal of both medial walls via ethmoid sinuses, orbital floors via lower lids, and fat behind the eyes via upper lids), followed by bilateral repair of eyelid retraction in July 2013. Aside from minor fluctuations in TSH, since then I’ve had no issues and was glad to put Graves’, and especially my eye problems, behind me.

    After the OD, the ENT surgeon who operated on me alongside the oculofacial plastic surgeon, told me that he noticed my septum was significantly deviated toward the right. This was surprising to me as my nose isn’t crooked, but my nose is very narrow, so he explained this may cause problems in the future.

    He was right. About 8 weeks after the OD, I developed a severe sinus infection that required antibiotics. Like clockwork, I’ve had bad sinus infections every 8-12 weeks for the past 3.5 years. In early 2014, I had a CT which I am told showed nothing unusual (still working to get my hands on a copy). I now get scoped once a year, sleep with a humidifier, use Flonase daily, and use a Netipot, antibiotics and Sudafed each time I get sick. I can never breathe through my nose, blow thick mucus and blood clots out several times a day, and have just accepted this is my life now.

    In April 2015, I started experiencing frequent watering in my right eye. This was a little concerning, because this is the eye that bulged more, and required a lot more “work” per say during the OD. I went to an ophthalmologist who determined my tear duct was completely blocked, most likely from my recurrent sinus infections, and was unrelated to the past Graves’ ophthalmopathy. She unblocked it with a sharp tool in her office, and sent me on my way with steroid eye drops to use for a few weeks to keep that area from swelling to the point it blocked the tear duct. It worked.

    Until November 2015. The watering began again and I was at a new job starting over with a new deductible, so I tried the drops again myself, but to no avail. It became really bad. I couldn’t go more than 60 seconds without wiping my eye otherwise the tears would block my vision and eventually drip down my face. This made client-facing work embarrassing, and the skin around my eye as well as the eye itself became quite irritated from the constant tissue rubbing. I noticed my eye wasn’t closing all the way when I slept. One day in January, I took a class at the gym and went to the locker room afterward. I was beat red with no makeup on and my hair pulled back, and I realized that my right eye was VERY obviously bulging. Over the next few weeks, I began to experience more frequent headaches and an aching pain above and behind my eye. In February, the eye became bloodshot. OTC redness relief drops did nothing, so I finally made an emergency appointment.

    I went to a neuro-ophthalmologist who looked at my chart and my eyes, and confirmed my worst fears – TED was back. He explained it was unusual for the TED to return after so many years, but that it was possible and happening. The watering is because the eye is more exposed to air and isn’t closing all the way. He ordered a CT to determine the extent of the swelling and confirm the optic nerve was not compromised. He prescribed prednisolone eye drops which immediately relieved the redness, but admitted they wouldn’t help the watering.

    Four days after the CT, he called me with what became the best diagnosis I’ve ever received – this was not TED at all, but a non-cancerous mass in my sinus that had spread to my orbit, pushing the eyeball right out of the socket. What?! I didn’t even know that could happen. He needed to see an MRI to confirm, so I went for that last week. The MRI confirmed a large mucocele in my right ethmoid and frontal sinuses that had caused the bone to bow and push the eye forward. It has likely been expanding in there for years, possibly triggered by the OD or after when the sinus infections began. I have done some research and found peer-reviewed articles about other former TED patients who underwent OD and later developed mucoceles that caused symptoms very similar to TED. Interesting…

    The neuro-op is sending me to an ENT surgeon, because the only treatment for mucoceles is sinus surgery. Although my facial/sinus surgery journey is apparently not over, I’m beyond relieved my TED one is. And the proptopis should be gone immediately after surgery.

    I wanted to share this here because both me and the neuro-op assumed this was TED all over again – it looked exactly the same, and had he not ordered the CT and MRI, we wouldn’t have found the mucocele and I might continue feeling sorry for myself about TED and possibly even starting a miserable prednisone treatment for something prednisone couldn’t help. A TED flare-up more than 5 years since entering the “cold phase” is unusual and should be treated with suspicion. Push your doctors to look further before you accept that you have to go through this again!

    Liz1967
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    Thanks for the info! I am finishing up with the reconstructive post TED surgeries and it is my greatest fear that somehow it will start up again, even though that is really rare. Bad enough having it once. So glad you have a better dagnosis than a TED reactivation!

    Kimberly
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    Wow, thanks so much for sharing this important story! Wishing you all the best with this next surgery.

    Reactivation of TED is indeed rare, and when it does occur is often a result of stress or exposure to smoke. I am SO glad to hear that your doctors went the extra mile to get you a correct diagnosis!

    mtfantham
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    I had OD in early Mar 2014. Then upper lid surgery 8 months later. The same eye is now bulging forward again. Thank you for sharing your story. Ive got an appt at the doc on Tues so I’ll be sure to ask a lot of questions. I don’t want another surgery again!

    Liz1967
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    Let us know how your appointment goes on Tuesday.

    gatorgirly
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    mtfantham – which doctor are you seeing? Was an ENT surgeon also involved with your OD? How long ago were you diagnosed with TED and how long were you in the hot/active phase?

    The bottom line is TED is pretty obvious to a trained eye (no pun intended), but even my neuro-op thought it looked like TED, so definitely request the CT to determine what’s going on behind your eye. If it is TED, they need the CT anyway to see how much the muscles are enlarged and if your optic nerve is compressed.

    I am meeting with my ENT surgeon on Tuesday so let’s both plan to report back with our appointment results!

    And for anyone who is wondering, I am happy to share the peer-reviewed articles I found about the other post-OD patients who then developed sinus mucoceles that caused eye bulging.

    snelsen
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    Holy cow, gatorgirly! We really ARE old timers, aren’t we?
    Nice to hear from YOU, not so great about your news. And, in a sick sort of way, it is good news! Mucocele vs. more TED. Two not so great choices. I have take care of lots of folks with sinus surgery Goes ok, but not fun to not be able to breathe as well as you’d like to. Not a lot of pain, and I don’t hint they use packing anymore, which is a big plus. Do writhe again. I am trying to recall how long I’ve been on this site! Guess I know after I post this!
    Mtfanthom, good to know you will be asking lots of questions! Definitely get an orbital CT.
    Shirley

    snelsen
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    Well, I have been “hanging around” since 2008 And I see that I wrote “do writhe again.” So, duh, I meant, do write again!

    gatorgirly
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    I saw a regular ENT surgeon on Tuesday. We reviewed my imaging scans, my symptoms, and the treatment (surgery). But she admitted with my previous OD, this was a more complex case than she was equipped to handle, and recommended seeing a surgeon who focuses on complex sinus surgeries involving the eye or brain. I was frustrated, but glad she admitted it was too complicated for her. Within 48 hours, I was at Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary (a Harvard Medical School affiliate and the top-ranked specialty hospital for ENT in the nation. The surgeon showed me my scans and explained them in greater detail than the neuro-ophthalmologist and ENT had, and said he was completely confident in his ability to drain the mucocele with an 80% success rate (I guess these things are stubborn and there’s a chance it will fill back up again, in which case he’ll just go back in and drain it again). He said while he is in there, he will also correct my deviated septum and reduce my middle turbinate to create more space in my nasal cavity and sinuses so that hopefully these recurrent sinus infections become far more infrequent. He expects the proptosis will be resolved immediately during surgery. As for the watering, he said it should also be resolved but that the mucocele and resulting proptosis could be pushing on my tear duct and that may need to be unblocked separately (it’s a 2-minute procedure in an ophthalmologist’s office). I’m looking at a significant recovery time due to the three concurrent surgeries (ethmoidectomy, septoplasty, turbinectomy) taking place, but nothing like the OD (his words, not mine). I’m scheduled for surgery on April 13 with a post-op on April 21.

    PS – Hi Shirley! :)

    Liz1967
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    Best of luck with your surgery and hoping you have a quick recovery. Massachusetts Eye and Ear is a great place to be. Let us know how it goes.

    Kimberly
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    Wow, that’s frustrating to have to make an extra appointment – but glad that you found someone who is confident that he can get the surgery done right. Keep us posted!

    gatorgirly
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    Just wanted to post an update – I am 12 days post-op and doing well. The mucocele was removed and my eye is noticeably better. No redness or watering, and the proptosis is greatly reduced. The surgeon who performed my surgery does routine ODs as well, and said I still have a lot more bone than he expected – he would have taken out more if he had done my OD. As such, he said that the proptosis in my right eye may never fully resolve and may explain why I’ve always felt it wasn’t symmetrical with the left eye. It’s only noticeable to me and doctors who specialize in this, but may be something I elect to correct with a minor eyelid repair down the road.

    For now, I am just glad to be over the worst of the recovery. I also had my deviated septum repair and my middle turbinates reduced, so it was a pretty extensive surgery that required 10 days of bedrest due to excessive bleeding. Hopefully no one else has to deal with this issue 3+ years after an OD.

    flora
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    Hi gatorgirly,

    What wonderful news! Just wanted to say how happy I am that you have this big surgery now behind you – good for you, and all the very best with your recovery!

    flora

    Kimberly
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    Thanks for the update, gatorgirly! Sorry that you had to deal with this after all you’d already gone through with TED, but that is great news that the surgery went well!

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