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One of the doctors who spoke at a conference a few years ago went through the history of "scientific knowledge" about the thyroid ~ he pointed out that at one point, the theory was that our thyroid was a BAG OF WORMS in our throat!! ” title=”Very Happy” /> YEP, I’m glad to have been born in this modern age!!
Yes, my Graves "exploded" after a stressfull event, on the background of my increasing irrational behavior/rages that were self-feeding stresses.
I read that onset of schizophrenia also is linked to stress. I read that any auto-immune disease are all have onset of stresses. The body breaks where it has the weakest link.
So basically – stress is no good, period !! It can cause any disease in any part of your body.
HEY everyone! I found this online and copied only a section of the whole document. I believe it was written around the1940’s. I find his very interesting because the onset of my Grave’s didn’t occur until I had been assaulted by my now-ex husband while I was pregnant, then several months later gave birth to my son and he passed away during delivery. I find it intriguing that even back then doctors made the correlation between mental stress and Grave’s disease. Back in the day before modern medicine and technology, people with hyperthyroid and Grave’s disease didn’t have meds or treatments to control their level, so people became mentally insane and developed an array of debilitating mental conditions. Usually these people were put into insane asylums because the lack of knowledge and proven treatments. WOW! Imagine that happening to us now days. Your levels start to rise and before you know it..you hear voices and start seeing things. I am so happy that modern medicine has come so far! THANK GOD. It’s so cool to read about how science is so intricate and amazing. Look at how far we have come. When you’re having a bad day …be thankful you live in this day in age and not back then!
Life Situations, Emotions, and Graves’ DiseaseTHEODORE LIDZ, M.D., and JOHN C. WHITEHORN, M.D.
A relationship between severe emotional shock
and the onset of hyperthyroidism had been
noted by clinicians since the first descriptions of the
disease entity (3, 5, 6, 12). Cases in which the illness
starts immediately after a severe shock continue
to be seen, as exemplified by a Negro who
became hyperthyroid after he had accidentally killed
a white man with his automobile and became
haunted by memories of a lynching witnessed during
childhood, or by a young woman who showed
the first signs of the illness after her fiance was
killed on the day before the wedding with his
funeral taking the place of the ceremony. However,
when it is realized that emotional disturbances can
be just as profound even when not so blatant, it is
found that emotional stresses of considerable severity
precede the onset of hyperthyroidism in over 90 per
cent of the cases. A young woman became ill when
her plan to leave her irresponsible husband and
return to mother, a decision reached after great inner
turmoil, was suddenly disrupted by recognition of
pregnancy; an adolescent finally summoned courage
to run away from his brutal father and paranoid
grandmother to fulfill his dreams of rejoining his
mother, only to find himself rejected by the mother
and forced to recognize that she had never been
interested in him; a middle-aged woman developed
Graves’ disease when abandoned by the nephew she
had raised as a son just at the time that her oldest
sister, who had raised her, was dying. Such relationships
between emotional stress and the precipitation
of Graves’ disease were amply illustrated
in the past, but the careful clinical studies had little
influence upon treatment and investigation, probably
because the concepts did not correlate with the
dominant trends of scientific thought (1, 4, 7, 10).
It is not particularly surprising to find emotional
stress as a causative factor in a condition in which
From the Departments of Psychiatry and Medicine, The
Johns Hopkins University, School of Medicine, Baltimore,
Maryland.
Presented at the Annual Meeting of the Association for
Research in Nervous and Mental Disease, December 2, 1949.
This paper will be published in "Life Stress and Bodily
Disease. Proceedings of the Association for Research in
Nervous and Mental Disease of the 29th Annual Meeting,
December 2 and 3, 1949." Vol. 29, Baltimore, Williams and
Wilkins, 1950.
the clinical picture mimics the expression of fear
and terror, and which has been described as "crystallized
fright." One might conjecture that the thyroid
gland plays a role in the chain of physiologic mobilization
for prolonged stress, perhaps by implementing
the short-lived effects from the adrenal medulla
by sensitizing to epinephrin and by mobilizing
energy for more lasting needs through promotion
of tissue catabolism.
The studies of hyperthyroid patients carried out
according to the concepts of dynamic psychiatry by
Mittelmann ( n ) and by Conrad (2) and ourselves
( led to closely related findings which carry
beyond the simple correlation between acute emotional
stress and the onset of the illness. Rather
specific regularities have been found as to the type
of trauma or emotional stress which precedes the
onset of hyperthyroidism. Stated in a somewhat
oversimplified way, we have found that these patients
are reacting in a deeply emotional way to
the disruption or threat of disruption of the dominant
interpersonal relationship upon which their
security rests; the adolescent may be confronted with
the loss of the more significant parent; the young
woman may be deeply disturbed by having to
break her attachment to the parental home in favor
of a marital home, with subsequent threat to the
marriage; an older person may be confronted by
the loss or threat of loss of the favored child whose
dependency had been sedulously cultivated. Such
situations are not unique to hyperthyroid patients;
and the catastrophic significance to these patients
is to be understood through the effect of such
traumata upon the precarious personality integration
noted from case to case. It appears that such emotional
crises contribute to the production of the illness
only in persons specifically vulnerable through
personality make-up and perhaps endocrinologically
vulnerable as well.TO READ MORE GO TO~ http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cg … /3/184.pdf
Yeah it’s amazing to hear ppls stories and how they were perfectly healthy and then WAM…the stress comes and Graves’ reared it’s ugly head! I believe so many people go undiagnosed not just because the symptoms can be similar to a lot of other problems but because they attribute their symptoms to STRESS. Like…Oh I’m loosing my hair and weighed …it must be because of the stress I had gone through. Yet those poor ppl have no idea it gets worse till they are diagnosed and treated…..then they can heal. I also think that emotional healing is harder with untreated Graves. I think this because your emotions and your body are screaming…you can’t relax and think logically until you get better. So once the person has a grip on their emotional state and what is going on in their body…only then can they start the process of healing their emotions due to the trauma brought on my the disease and the stress that triggered it. I’m no psychologist but I can say this has been true in my life and probably many others.
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My mother was hyperthyroid in the 1970’s. My father remembers coming home from work and finding my sister and I shivering with blue lips because even though it was winter our poor mother was BROILING! She says she could actually see her heart pounding under her chest. Her doctor’s never called her condtion Graves disease. They just told her she had to nuke her thyroid without trying any other options. Nonetheless, my mother felt better and my sister and I had a happier childhood after that ” title=”Wink” />
AmandaWow~ that’s all I can say…WOW! Your poor mom!
It seems that most of the articles I have found on the stress and emotional aspects of Graves are pre 1950. Once they figured out the treatment options those options have taken front stage. My wife most diffinately had big stressers in her life and one huge one two years ago. She was diagnosed one year later. Unfortunately she is one of the people that does not want to know anything more about this then absolutely neccesary. Her Endo says her numbers are in line so she is fine. Graves can’t have anything to do with our marraige problems. We are dealing with other family issues as well but who doesn’t. Once again, isn’t that life. I have realized now how emotional dependant both her and I are. This comes on the heals of realizing what emotions are. Not only that but it turns out that I actually have them too. (It’s a guy thing, who knew ” title=”Wink” /> ) As you ladies all know there is no talking to or reasoning with her when she is "in the zone" and the quickest way to get her into the zone is to point something out or swing the flash light in her direction, so to speak. But every bit of information gives me a better understanding and more confidence to try to slay the Graves windmill. It is a fact that women talk three times more then men so if you are going to open your mouth and take on a women with Graves you had better bring your A game or she will school you with one hand tighed behind her back. She may break a sweat because her heart is raising but that’s irrelavent.
I printed off the rest of that article this morning and read it over lunch. Things make even more sense as far as the emotional pain my wife is feeling. I apologize for making this sound like a big game on my last post. It’s not for her and it’s not for me but I need to keep a sense of humor about it or it really gets to me. So here is my 64000 dollar question ladies. How do I show or tell her that I kind off understand the emotional trauma she has gone through and maybe going through without having my head takin off? How do I validate her emotions? Can I even do that?
Kam
Maybe you can ~ let her know that you’ve been reading up on Graves’, you’re beginning to understand part of what she might be going through, and you’d like to know what SHE needs/wants, if she can quantify that. Keep it open ended, and I’ll bet she fills in the blanks. Just asking will be an enormous step forward, I’m sure.
And by the way, bless you. ” title=”Very Happy” />
Sounds good on paper. I ordered Grave’s Disease in our own words. When I got it and started reading it I was met with, " Isee you bought another book so you can figure out what is wrong with me " Like I said her Endo says her numbers are in line so she is fine. I hear what you are saying though. It’s time to not take anything personally and stay in fieght. Sticks and stones, she’s lost so much weight it’s not like she can kick my butt or nothing. She is however addicted to crossword puzzles to help her memory so she has quite an extensive vocabulary. Luckily for me I’m Norweign and never really know when I’m being insulted anyway
Oh, I feel for you! If there’s any way you can short circuit her "typical" responses, that’d be helpful I’m sure, but I know what you’re saying. If there’s a hint of the idea that you think you’re going to "fix" her, OH NO.
Okay, so don’t start by saying "I’ve been doing some reading" ~ just start the discussion about what you can do to help, in general. Ask if she has any specific frustrations, and do make good on your promise NOT to take things personally. Look dispassionately at what she tells you/asks you, and deal with each thing on its own ~ see what you can and cannot do, what you are and are not willing to do. Sometimes it’s truly as easy as "leave me alone one night a week and let me choose what I do, either alone or with other friends." Sometimes it’s just "please keep things out of my way." You will never know the exact specifics until you ask, and it may be tempting to "fight back" at the suggestions, but keep that at a minimum.
The proof is in the pudding, I suppose, so if you are truly beginning to understand what she’s going through, you may be less likely to take the outbursts personally, and that can keep things from escalating. The two things feed each other ~ she is angry, you get resentful, she gets more angry, and on and on. I know I’m not telling you anything new here, I’m kind of typing as I’m thinking, because I really want to help, and I think setting the context helps.
As far as her doctor saying her levels are fine, that’s GREAT, but if they haven’t been stable for a good, long period of time, she’s still healing. In addition to that, normal is one thing, HER normal is another. You say that she is disinterested in finding out about her own disease, and that’s one more block in your way. You can’t even demonstrate that you know what’s going on, because it might appear that you’re trying to "one-up" her about her own condition. You are in a very tough spot.
I wish I had a magic wand for you to use. I don’t know what I can say to help, because it’s ALL easier said than done, and you’re walking a mine field. Walk carefully. Keep us updated, we’ll TRY to help out! We may have some spouses lurking who’ve come through this okay, so I hope they weigh in with some ideas.
My Grave’s disease also started after a couple of years of non-stop stress and fast lane life style. I remember exercising a lot to deal with the stress, and I began to feel a pressure in my thryroid at that time. Then the heart palpitations started and the thryoid gland became enlarged. While I feel that stress certainly ignited my disease, I also wonder about the affect of the 1986 Chernobyl fall out, in which radioactive iodine 131 was released into the atmosphere. I was in Munich at the time and enjoyed the "warm" rain – an hour later I had the worst headache I ever experienced. Another hour later and they finally reported the accident in the news and advised people to stay away from outside, shower, and not to drink milk or eat veggies grown in the area. Kids were not allowed to play outside and it was all very horrible.
I used to have perfect health – no family history of thryroid problems or any other diseases, so when I was suddenly diagnosed with Grave’s I was in complete shock and disbelief. To this day I don’t really know what exactly caused my Grave’s. But I do think that stress was a great part of its awakening.
My Grave’s has been dormant for over 2 years now. I refused the radio active treatment and surgery. Instead, I took a 1/3 of the PTU prescribed, used beta blockers for my heart, and made some life style changes, like stop drinking coffee, less alcohol, and most of all – less stress! I began yoga, rested more, and eat healthier. I stopped taking the PTU after about 9 months (and after all my other herbal and natural remedies had failed!). My Dr. kept telling me I should continue PTU, but I always went by what my body was telling me – and the PTU really got my thyroid levels down quick. I had never taken any medication in my life before – not even for headaches (and I hardly have any), so taking PTU wasn’t easy for me – that’s why I always took less than what the Dr. said I should take. In any case – it worked – for me at least. So my best advise to people who are just diagnosed with Grave’s is to try mild medication and life style changes first before destroying your thyroid forever!
Good Luck everyone!
This message was sent to me private andI believe that it was ment for everyonr to see.
Hello Everyone,
I have been diagnosed with Graves Disease since 2003. I experienced irregular menstruation; therefore I went to see gynecologist who referred me to endocrinologist to check my thyroid.
I had gone through personal life stressors pretty long and I was still in the mist of all but at the time I did not have any of the symptoms connected with Graves’s disease.
I actually had gained weight. I was very energetic and enduring person in regards to physical and psychological stress.
The doctor asked me to start taking Tapazole 3x 5mg twice daily. I began taking the meds and felt awful; I developed skin irritation and my metabolism slowed down. The blood test had shown Liver’s hyperactivities and I was not given explanation why this had happened. I felt very tired, contrary to the expectation to balance. When I shared my observation with the doctor, he claimed that I will soon feel better. This did not happen, so I stop taking the medications.
Looking into getting answers I went to see another endocrinologist to confirm whether I had Graves’s disease or not. The diagnosis was confirmed and I was prescribed another medication: Propylthyracil to take 2x100mg twice daily.
This medication did not feel so awful, so I continued taking it as I was told that I had to do so for the rest of my life. As I did not feel any difference about the way I was feeling, I stop taking any medication since 2004.
I don’t have any symptoms since, except enlargement, developing the expected goiter.
Is anyone had similar experience?
I am skeptical as twice in the past I have been given cancerous diagnoses, which fortunately were wrong. SO, now I am wondering what to do and whom to believe!
I would appreciate any comments, advice and recommendations.
Thanks a lot,
VickySubject: Life Situations, Emotions, and Graves’ Disease
Propylthyracil is what I took for about 7 months but I only took a low dosage, against the advise of my doc. When I started to feel tired, sluggish, depressed and gained weight, I stopped taking the meds all together. Since then I have been working on repairing my immune system with a new doctor. He started off by making me eat lots and lots of seaweed, as it pulls the toxins out of your liver. I also used herbal remedies to detox my colon and I stopped drinking coffee and learned to relax more and avoid stress, sugar, fats and junk food. After about a year, I noticed that I felt much better and stronger again and that’s when my eyes started to very slowly get better too. It took about 2 years for them to return back in position. I don’t think they are completely back yet – but I think in time they will.
Just one quick comment: seaweed contains more iodine than any other food, by several hundred times, and is the only food substance we are completely advised AGAINST ingesting while we still have a thyroid. Iodine is what our thyroid uses to produce thyroid hormone, and we typically get plenty in a regular diet. Eating seaweed, with a functioning thyroid and Graves’ Disease, can be tantamount to throwing gasoline on a fire.
I understand the impulse to try and solve this some other way. I would just like to point out that we are not dealing with a virus, a bacteria, or something else we can "eliminate" from our bloodstream. The antibodies are now part of our immune system, and they will remain. We cannot fix that part of this disease. For some, extended remissions are possible, and for some, they are worth chasing. For others, they are not possible, and other methods must be explored for treatment. It is NOT a failure to have chosen a different treatment than attempting remission. We are fortunate to have other options. There are far more patients who will NOT achieve remission than those who will.
There is NO CURE for Graves’ Disease. It is a chronic, autoimmune condition that once we have, we will have forever. Treating the thyroid removes the element of the disease that can be fatal. That’s the first line of treatment doctors will look at. Saving the life of the patient.
After that, we can talk about other things that may help.
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